I think the latest patch 1.1 did something with the Vasari Loyalist.. He is Building A LOT of scouts and keep them in his own gravity well.. I just finished a game that took 5 hours and he had over 50 scouts on his last planet..  maybe a quick fix for that

The random scout spam has been reported on and off for a while. If you have an autosave of right before the AI started building sending it in might help.

Lol, i've seen games myself where either the AI lost it's fleet once and just stopped doing anything productive(For some reason they usually were my allies at the time) and the random scout spam I've seen as well, but not much more than 20 or so and he had other ships as well. 

hmmmm, not sure about these changes.

Wail is still an absolute monster, but this change will make AR players more restricted on where they might want to Wail...

That said, it is still a game changer and Im not sure the 'skilled' games should welcome it back.  Wailing a desert or terran that only has a couple of lanes connecting it (like most choke points are) will still be stupidly good value and over powered.  Having to recolonise and rebuild a couple of labs is nothing compare to taking out all of your opponents frigs with a click before you jump in on them.

Novas are being used more in team games though, so TEC loyals may get a good run, especially with a buffed titan.

One Suggestion Devs....

Can you give us another start option that disables rebel factions 'super abilities' so that we can level the playing field in 'skilled' games without banning factions?

i.e.

- Disable Wail for AR

- Disable Mobility for VR

- Diable Truce for TECR  (this is underated ability, you can expand with impunity.  If you get a safe eco slot you can take half the map in no time)

Not a fan of making vettes completely immune to the titan AOE damage abilities either.  May if they were reduce to 10% HPs and not destroyed so you had to mop them up it would be okay.  Even as it is, you can micro your vettes and safely  take out a TECR titan for example, as it needs to face them for explosive shot to work.  Making them immune means vette spam will again reign supreme.  

with this, we will proabably next be crying for a flak and fighter buff against vettes to we have a chance of killing 200 of them before they virtually one shot caps and titians.

See yas on the weekend,

Bags

VR also has that monster armor upgrade on higher tier tech. That should have been like, halved.

It was nerfed though not quite halved.

Excellent

Sweet, more content that we can play at 2 fps.

I am amazed....

This has finally happened SOASE is taking its first step into E-Sports. Man im so glad that they have started to change their course of action. This is really good news. I stopped playing Rebellion 1-2 months ago because of the imba map spawns and other related problems. I am really happy with the new maps (Competetive maps) and all the NAYSAYERS can ****, yeah. Anyways im really hoping that their next patch includes MULTIPLAYER UI CHANGES.

Thank you Ironclad for at least trying to make one of your greatest games more popular!

Right, cause BagsX isn't skilled....nah...

The AR ban happened...while not to the "degree" of the VR ban, lots of hosts refused to allow AR in their (skilled) games, and the reasoning was mostly because of Wail, NOT the eradica...in many cases these bans were at the request of multiple people in the game lobbies, so it isn't just the distorted opinions of a select few who happen to host a lot.....

That multiple hosts running skilled games banned AR solely because of wail only points to how OP it was considered...

Of course, if you played on ICO even remotely recently you would already know this....

Only more reasoning to make me think you don't play on ICO much...

Now, there's nothing wrong with not frequenting the skilled games on ICO...but since you love to go out of your way to tell people they aren't skilled (often followed by "learn 2 play"), I've concluded you are either:

1)  A troll
2)  An asshat
3)  A trollish asshat

OK played few games and some of them were very competitive.

My opinion:

Patch overall is step into right direction:

• corvettes do counter titans 
• Vasari Rebel does look tamed 
• all races are playable 
• in games i played so far I haven't seen single use of wail yet 

There is only one massive problem:

• as I mentioned corvettes counter titans but in order to be successful you need 100+ of them and because game doesn't support multi threading or any other modern CPU thingy it causes massive lag. 

In fight between me and hiroge He had lvl 5 eradica and I had lvl 1 ragnarov. I had 120 corvettes hidden and I used ragnarov snipe to drain eradicas shields and then warped my 120 corvettes in and needles to say eradica died shortly after. It was laggy but lag was bearable. Then he build his own 100+ corvettes and once mine and his corvettes engaged in fight game turned into massive slide show. On my end frame changed every 1.5 to 2 seconds.

Yeah that is right 1 frame per 2 second interval. So whatever optimization was done for rebellion it.... Last patch negated everything they did. 

I might write some more in separate thread but atm I felt I had to point above mentioned game ruiner out.    

HAHAH Thanks Sel. Who is that guy?  If he doesnt sorta understand/half agree with my post then he's either a forum warrior or said asshat.

Make your self known in skilled 5s games champ. youll soon be shown you how a temple on every AR planet in game means Novas or the Vasari super weapon to jump in on them is the only way to really crack it open (when the game has ended up fleet intensive with vettes and carriers making up most fleets).  At least now if you jump in from afar as vasari the Advent player can't sacrifice all adjacent planets to kill you without killing themselves.

Than again I doubt you'd survive the first 20min of intense rushing and countering and eco setup in these games to see this happen....

For the next week or two I think AR and VR should be allowed just to fully see the impact of these changes. Maybe hosts shouldn't let everyone on a team go AR or VR, but let a few players use them. Then there can be some sort of consensus on whether AR and VR should still be banned. Or perhaps we could go back to the partial ban days like VLs basically were, with only 1 player per team allowed to use them.

Hmm, that is interesting, considering most people ended up with Carrier heavy fleets late game I'm surprised Corvettes are that much worse.

Who?

I am sorry but with you and Sel as company I would fear for your lives in any game with a remotly intelligent human enemy.

I also think you misjudge the amount of damage done to structures by wail. A wail powerful enough to destroy the important structures is more than enough to effortlessly wipe anything below caps. Now I dont know about how you "skilled" people calculate, but I would trade a few logistics for your carrier fleet any day. Especially at this stage of the game.

You still havent answered the question of why somebody should choose the Advent Rebels if they dont have Wail?

The Coronata isnt UP anymore and once on a sufficient tech level AL are pretty equal to AR.... just with a bit of a different focus. That leaves Wail as the defining AR tech and unless you have a good idea of how to balance it without making it either OP or totally worthless you are free, no encouraged to post it here.

Ironically I tend to survive quite long most of the time. Of course I sometimes die too but usually it is either the enemy or my team surrendering that ends the game for me.