They are no neutrals in magnetic clouds ever. You comfusing with plasma storms witch prevent the launch of strike craft.

EadTaes beat me to it in both threads. Yes, Magnetic Clouds never have neutrals

But I did post and Idea I got from reading Cykur's post in the other thread.

And yes I'm watching both like a hawk.

finally. nice marza change. have you done anything to make the ai also understand how to deal with it? 'cause they fall a bit easily to it.

does the magnetic cloud change mean we also cannot build starbases anymore? I mean I'm pretty sure mines were the main target here, since these do not require am.

edit: now, that devs are here and people are all discussing the carrier nerf: is the penalty -75%? it'd be nice to have it officially. if it really is only -25% you might even get rid of it altogether ...

75? 25? As far as I can tell it was only 10% (500 down to 450).

Yeah, I would expect you can't build SB since these are abilities of the construction ships (or Vasari Colonizer).  Since mine deployment requires an ability to use, we won't see them in the magnetic clouds either.

The build time penalty of new strike craft while enemy present int he grav well. That is onyl present in the entrenchment version of the game. The vanila sins will be fine since the carriers do not have that build penalty.

Okay i give and the purpose of magnetic clouds isssssssss? Can we like..get planets or roids i nthem or soemthing, seems like a blank spot for a possible fight but i have never seen a cloud in between two oppenents that forced them to go through it.

Ooooh shiney patch notes

He wants a definitive answer as to what the exact build penalty is for carriers.  People are more upset about previous patches nerfing carrier build rate in hostile gravwells than they are about the current 10% speed reduction.

Ok that makes more sense The flak/carrier/lrm relationship debate is still raging here at Ironclad central too (and to a smaller extent the long term usefulness of lights). The kiting fix was happening regardless.

If it helps any... Flak are roughly where they should be, now. Carriers could do with fewer penalties - the fragility of the strike craft swarms are fine; what'd be nice is if their build rate in hostile territory actually depended on antimatter more than build rate (like support craft - many of them can spam their abilities rapidly, but once dry, their effectiveness plummets).

But you've probably already heard that a dozen times by now. 

Are we getting the Developer.exe for 1.17?

Yes, Dev.exe 1.17 and 1.03 are going to be going up on the website on the same day.

Blair: Is there any chance of having the build penalties effect only carriers that have enemies within a certain radius of them rather than just if there are enemies in any part of the grav well. So if you had a carrier in grav well that has enemy units but those enemy units are far away from it then it gets no penalty but as soon as the enemy units get within a certain range of the carrier then it gets build penalties?

Thankyou for any response. And thankyou for your response to my question about the Marza changes.